The Vegan Myth: The Healing Power of Meat, with Dr. Sara Marilyn Jesus #57

Get ready to challenge long-held beliefs about veganism and explore the healing power of meat with today’s guest, Dr. Sara Marilyn Jesus.

About Dr. Sara Marilyn Jesus

Dr. Sara Marilyn Jesus is a unique voice in the world of nutrition and health. Trained as a dentist, she transcends traditional medical paradigms and leads transformative health retreats where her attendees heal through aligning with a natural, animal-based lifestyle. Her journey from veganism to a meat-based diet due to chronic health issues shines a light on alternative approaches to wellness.

Topics Covered

  • The Untold Story of Veganism: Understanding the complex reality behind the vegan diet.
  • Nutritional Deficiencies in Plant-Based Diets: A deep dive into what’s missing in a vegan diet.
  • Environmental Impact: Debunking myths about meat consumption and sustainability (cow gas isn’t killing the planet).
  • The Personal Journey: Dr. Sara’s transformation from debilitating health as a vegan to vitality as a meat-eater.
  • Practical Dietary Advice: How to incorporate meat for optimal health and affordability (you can save money by eating more meat).


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[00:00:00] Nathan Maingard: What if veganism, or a plant-based diet, aren't all that they've been cracked up to be. I say this as someone who worked with some of the leaders in the fields in veganism and raw veganism, both in South Africa and in London, UK. And the long and short of it is that every single one of those people now prioritizes an animal based diet.

[00:00:25] And I know that's a really, really challenging opinion to bring to you today, but I just invite you to listen on, even if you are currently plant-based. Or if you have that guilty feeling of like, oh, I should be eating more plants. I should be vegan for the planet, et cetera, et cetera. It's the best way to save the animals. If any of that is true for you, or maybe you already aware of what it means to live an animal based lifestyle and what that means for the planet and for your health.

[00:00:49] Either way today is a really powerful, invitation and inspiration to any of us on this journey of optimal health. Those of us who are choosing to ignore the mainstream recommendations and actually discover what real health means inside of our bodies.

[00:01:06] I had the great gift of meeting Dr. Saraj, Marilyn, quite recently, over new years, I was emceeing the thrive festival in South Africa, and I met Sara there. She's, uh, she's trained as a dentist, but she's ventured far beyond those traditional medicine structures. And she now leads transformative health retreats and guides those who are seeking holistic healing.

[00:01:28] Dr. Sara's own battles with chronic health issues led her eventually to veganism. But unfortunately that only intensified her struggles. And really when you listen to her story, she did it the best you can. It was a really dramatic shift eventually to a meat-based diet that turned her life around.

[00:01:44] Through her own experiences, Dr. Sara illuminates a path considered insane by the mainstream.

[00:01:49] She answers a lot of the common myths that people have around plant-based. Oh, well, it's better for the planet or less animals are harmed when I have my almond milk or a salad, or whatever those stories are. So listen to her journey, listen to her wisdom, make your own decisions at the end.

[00:02:05] In this episode, you'll learn why many people turn to veganism, obviously with good intentions, but unfortunately are not aware of some of the hidden costs and the impacts on health. Dr. Sara will unravel those complexities that exist behind this plant-based vegan diet narrative.

[00:02:21] You'll also learn how Dr. Sara transitioned from debilitating health conditions, while on a vegan diet, to revitalized state of health, through incorporating meat into her diet. Her story is a powerful Testament to the healing potential of a meat-based lifestyle.

[00:02:35] And she shares stories from people who she's worked with, people who come on her retreats, et cetera, and the transformations they've had.

[00:02:41] You'll also hear some of the misconceptions around the consumption of meat and its environmental impact. Dr. Sara will provide insights into the ecological benefits of responsible meat consumption and debunk some of the common myths that surround it.

[00:02:54] so if you're curious, questioning or even skeptical of what you've heard so far, stick around. We're about to dive deep into a topic that encompasses more than food. It's about freedom, health, and embracing vibrant truth in our lives.

[00:03:08] I'm your host, Nathan Maingard inviting you to join us on we are already free, the podcast for those seeking a joyful, meaningful life by remembering our inherent freedom.

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[00:03:40] It's about arising with purpose and clarity. visit the show notes or head to already to start your journey. Begin your days with practices that resonate with you, paving the way for a life lived with joy and realness. Your mornings are about to get a whole lot brighter. And now please enjoy this eyeopening, truth speaking, and mouth wateringly delicious episode with Dr.

[00:04:02] Sara Marilyn.

[00:04:03] welcome to we are already free, Sara, it's so, so good to have you on as a guest.

[00:04:08] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Thank you, Nathan. It's so cool to be here with you, talking in this beautiful nature. I'm super happy about this conversation.

[00:04:17] Nathan Maingard: Yeah, me too. It's been an amazing uh, experience meeting you. And I'll start with saying the thing that first struck me, I've said this to you already, but is when I saw you, you know, we are at this beautiful festival I'm walking onto the beach, the sun is shining. And there you are standing on the beach and immediately with all these other people, and I immediately I saw you, I thought that is a very healthy looking person. That is a healthy woman.

[00:04:37] And so obviously we've had a lot of conversations over the last week. And, the, the thing I want to kind of start with is asking you about your health and how, because then when you started to share your stories, you haven't always been so healthy.

[00:04:51] So could you take us through kind of what got you on a sort of health path and the kind of some of the mistakes you made initially and, and what was happening for you there?

[00:05:00] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Right. So I'm gonna make a brief resume about all the story because can be really long.

[00:05:05] But anyway, I was born with a, autoimmune disease called Ankylosing spondylitis, which is really familiar of arthritis, rheumatoid. Like, it's a rheumatic disease. In my case, it's genetics. And it's really inflammatory. So imagine I was uh, playing when I was a kid. I remember I had so much pain in my back that I need to stop playing and do whatever I was doing, just to breathe and to control my pain. According to that, if you have like a human disease and is not like controlled, you also, your immune system, it's not balanced. So I had lots of rhinitis, allergies, sinusitis, like all of this, was messed up.

[00:05:49] So I grew up with all of these symptoms, which was not fun. at that time I was already really curious when I was a kid, like I was asking myself like, why, why so much pain? Why so much suffering? Is there, is there meant to be or we have like a solution? So, I also saw my grandmother having dementia, Alzheimer's, and she died, like, without knowing who are the people. And also uncle, that he was schizophrenic. So, and he at least, bowed like, um, I dunno how to say in english

[00:06:25] Nathan Maingard: Yeah, the back. like, humped over.

[00:06:27] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Yeah. Because of these disease that I had, like this spondylitis. All of these for me was like, what? What is life? What is this? Like, you know, life, death, cycling, So many questions pop up. I didn't have the answers with the normal doctors, which I took and lots of antibiotics and painkillers.

[00:06:46] When I was 20, 21, I met this group of friends that were vegetarian. I did Erasmus program. I went to study one year abroad in Spain, in Valencia. So I met like these cool people. They were like, All vegetarian and vegan. And I didn't know anything about vegetarians and I, anything, but I was really open mind. I said, okay, if these guy's pop in my life, it's some reason.

[00:07:10] So, uh, they show me some documentaries, like Forks Over Knives, Food Matters, Earthlings, and they literally convinced me. Because the environment will be better. Also my health somehow will be better. Well, I tried vegetarianism. I quit meat in 2012. Well, and my health was not better. Actually, I had more allergies. Like my nose was running, you know. So I heard about raw veganism. And then I give a try. Because I heard like many people got a lots of things, um, sorted out. Like, The things that I had, you know, sinusitis, rhinitis.

[00:07:50] And that was the truth. Like, uh, the first month I tried was in Mexico and all my pain was gone. So I was like, okay, that was cool. But then eight months after I start experiencing the first symptoms that something was not cool. Like, uh, I lost my menstruation and as a woman, that it's one of the signs of sickness.

[00:08:15] Also lots of problems in my gut, like I was not like, you know, pooping right and like lots of stomach issues and I start to have like really not nice thoughts, like really negative thoughts and I'm really positive person.

[00:08:30] So I know myself. So I start eating like some fish and eggs and also cheese, raw cheese. But then, you know, it was already, I, I told this story, Nathan, I really wish I could keep going on this. like I was going already in the right path because my menstruation came back after this, introducing these foods, but my brain was already washed.

[00:08:55] So I keep. I Keep again, when the summer came, I went back to the vegan and vegetarian diet because I have all my, you know, new friends and new community. So, well, the story is long, but I was seven years vegetarian. Uh, In that seven years I, I, I did experiment raw veganism, veganism, you know, back and forth. And during all of this time, I develop hyperthyroidism, anemia, I lost my menstruation again, but this time for four years. I had like lots of issues on my mental health, like really like severe depression. And what else? Uh, my hair was falling down, my, my nails really, really weak. Um, I had many infections on my skin. My gut. like a disaster, like really disaster.

[00:09:48] Um, and yeah, it was not easy. So I didn't also quit. I said, Okay, that's life. No, I actually tried everything in that seven years to get back to my health, but not eating meat. That was like the last thing I tried and it really worked out. But so I've tried doing fasting, uh, liver cleanse, um, liver flush. Um, also parasite cleans, candida cleans. Some plant medicines, some dry fasting Israel colon therapy, like cleaning the colon. Um, I was not drinking alcohol. Eating all organic plant-based food. Sprouting my, my like the grains.

[00:10:34] You know, everything's so clean, but I was getting so sick. And I said, come on, basically I'm doing everything like to be all right.

[00:10:41] And I was doing like yoga, meditation. I was like all my day was like focusing on being good, but still I was struggling, especially in my mental health and my gut, because it's all connected.

[00:10:52] So just when I was like, in 2019, like four years ago, I saw a vegan friend that he start to eat lots of meat he was pale, fragile, thin, and Suddenly he become really mus muscular man, really tan and beautiful, like, wow.

[00:11:13] And he went to carnivore diet, like animal based. And that changed my life. It's why I talk so much about my story because somehow I hope that people, um, could awake about this, um, these kind of cult.

[00:11:29] Nathan Maingard: Right.

[00:11:29] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: So yeah, it, it's, um, yeah, we had all the good intentions, you know, in going going vegetarian, like it's for the, for the planet, for the animals and for our health, but it ends up, it's not good for anything. Actually,

[00:11:43] It's the opposite. And it's what we, we came here to talk

[00:11:46] Nathan Maingard: Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you. I mean, one of the things you shared, And I will share obviously the link to your Instagram in the show notes 'cause you, you're very open with sharing that. But what, what happened? You said you got down to a very low weight for your, for your body.

[00:12:00] What was your, your weight before you made the change?

[00:12:03] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Well, Nathan, I'm one, one meter and 73, I'm pretty Pretty tall for a woman and I wa I reached the point, I was 38 kilos

[00:12:14] Yeah, that was, and I was not anorexic. Because I really wanted to eat. The thing is like I couldn't eat my gut was not working So actually fasting saved my life because when I start fasting I felt so much better. You know, I start to crying of happiness of looking me in my mirror The mirror and say, wow, I've been so gone.

[00:12:37] So, fasting really, uh, you know, clears your mind, but of course you cannot live on fasting. And every time I break the fast, I break with fruits and veggies, which I repeat the loop of being sick . So yes, that was like the worst part of my life. I was 27 years old and. Yeah, it was not cool. You know, it was really like, uh, yeah, really difficult place to be. I don't wish that anyone. So this is one of the reasons I keep talking about uh, the importance and the impact that the meat is in your mental health.

[00:13:12] Nathan Maingard: Yeah. Well, Well, so let's go into, so then, so you saw this friend who'd been vegan, he started eating meat. he's looking amazing. So you made your decision.

[00:13:20] What are some of the effects that you started to notice? Like what happened?

[00:13:24] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Oh, it was right away.

[00:13:25] So I, I, I said I repeat. This is like the only thing I changed in 2019, the end of 2019. I was doing, everything supposed be like, right, you know, the ice baths, saunas, sports, um, meditation, but I was struggling my gut.

[00:13:41] So I start alone, like I didn't tell anyone that I was doing this. It was my alone experiment, but because, you know, after seven years, it is like you build your identity, identity around that. So it, it's easier to go back to meat than speak up your truth that you are eating meat. What people are gonna say, you know, the fear of rejection, the fear of, uh, yeah, solitude.

[00:14:08] So, uh, the benefits I saw after eating meat for the first time in seven years was like literally the ghosts I had, like, you know, it was a cloud of ghosts that was surrounding my, my mind was already gone. Um, they they were gone, without doing like lots of meditation and or, you know, like thinking about it. So it's like, Wow, I'm I'm back to me That was impressive.

[00:14:35] And of course, my gut starts to work again. I could go to the bathroom like, like a normal person, like a normal healthy person. Um, And thanks to that, I start like my hair stopped falling. I felt I I was gaining weight in the like really healthy way. Like my body was starting to change.

[00:14:56] And I looked beautiful. Like I I saw myself in mirror and I had self-esteem because it's also really important. And What else? Like, uh, my nails also felt really strong after like, just, you know, few days, don't even need to wait, like, like, you know, one month, like, oh, now what's happening? No, it's like it's you saw the difference coming like hour by hour.

[00:15:19] And actually your sleep, you know, your humor, were more happy, you know, normally like, it happens that you're happy, you don't make it to be happy, you don't force your happiness like, like I was struggling with. Um, and yes, I feel also more confident. Also, my memory improved a lot. I Was struggling with memory, you know, like I was kind of forgetting everything, um, which is, which is all connected.

[00:15:45] Right. So, this is like the main things like, and also as a woman, like before, having the menstruation, I was having a lot of, strange humor. you know, really crampy, really sad, you know, emotional. I got really emotional.

[00:16:02] and nowadays all the woman, um, woman thinks that that's the normal thing. Yeah. Could be common, but that's not normal. Okay. Don't normalize sickness. So yeah, it's possible to have your menstruation the days before. Okay. You feel like there's something coming up, but I never had that mood, mood swings anymore. So this is what really I figured out. Wow. I was really, you know, I was really far away from the best, my best version.

[00:16:33] Yeah.

[00:16:33] Nathan Maingard: yeah, I hear you. okay, well let's so you've one of the things I've noticed about you while we've been talking this last week is you have obviously you're you trained as a dentist. So you are a doctor, you understand medical stuff, you understand how that all works. So like your knowledge, because now this is your passion, this is your life. You help people, you run retreats, You're doing amazing work and you, you're so knowledgeable.

[00:16:53] So I want to talk about some of those myths that we all believed. You know, me too. I worked in the vegan industry for years. I thought this is gonna save the world. Like we're gonna, we are doing the best thing here. Um, and there's all these myths that we picked up along the way of like, well, because of this, because of that, because of that.

[00:17:08] So I'll ask you about a few of them. And if there's any that I don't think of, that you think are important, you can, you can let me know.

[00:17:12] So, so the one that you were talking about recently, which, which I, I remember hearing that, but, and I had forgotten. But it's this idea that, you know, when you eat meat that it like rots in your stomach and this whole thing and it's, it's really gross.

[00:17:24] And we can start there. I know there's so many other myths, but what about that one?

[00:17:28] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: So this myth, you can debunk debunk really easily. Like. notice in your poop, like you never see meat there. You can see like the shell of the corn, uh, the skin of the tomato, some, some seeds, uh, but you never see meat, which is like the, the number one proof that, it's all absorbable. Everything is absorbed from meat.

[00:17:58] So also, Yeah, it's like we are meant to digest food, like our body is designed like really perfect engineer, like, you know, God's engineer that to digest food, you know, it's why our pH of our stomach, It's 1.5, is as much acid as an Hyena. Uh, the animals, Hyena,

[00:18:19] Nathan Maingard: I dunno, what's

[00:18:19] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: uh, An animal that eats like dead corpse.

[00:18:22] Nathan Maingard: oh, the hyenas, Yeah.

[00:18:24] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: uh, abut, abut, I dunno how to say, like these, um, birds that goes

[00:18:28] Nathan Maingard: Oh, the vultures.

[00:18:28] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: The vultures.

[00:18:29] Yeah.

[00:18:30] So, uh, like it's pretty much the same acidic. Why? Because as we evol ve as a human species, like, and we get to the point to be homo sapiens. We act, before hunting, before we get to the point that we are hunting. That was a really slow, um, evolution. We, we were eating like the, the, the rest of, of, of the animal, the

[00:18:53] Nathan Maingard: Right, like scavenging,

[00:18:54] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Yeah, Scavenging. So we were, meant to be like eating rotten meat. I'm not like advising that, but this is like, this is our stomach, it's made of, you know, it's why, uh, if you eat meat alone, it's gonna be the really smooth digestion. You you don't burp or you don't fart, which is a thing that happens a lot in vegetarian, because we are not, we are not meant to be eating a lots of, uh, s laws like plants, you know, fiber, fiber.

[00:19:22] It's skeleton of the plant. So uh, the cows have this system to eat a lots of fiber. It's why they eat all day. And if you notice like a vegetarians full of hunger, like, um, it's, they hungry. I was eating all day, starving. So this is like, I think this meat, it's really. It, it, it exists because when you eat meat, you spend lots of hours without hungry. You, are, you're really fulfilled. You are su satiated. So I think this is the meat starts that, Oh, so I'm,

[00:19:54] Nathan Maingard: It's rotting in your stomach you don't need to eat again. Yeah.

[00:19:57] yeah. Interesting. So, okay, there's then there's another one. I mean, one of the big ones is around the eco ecological, like we're saving the planet.

[00:20:05] You know, the cows are farting, we're destroying the earth, the, all the different things about how much worse meat is. And so, my plate of salad isn't gonna hurt anyone. that's harm free, happy lettuce. It just grew out of the ground. So I should eat plants, because I'm saving the planet. So what about that myth and what would you say to that?

[00:20:25] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Oh, yeah, definitely. Um, we need to take care about the environment and I do care now more than before, than I was vegetarian.

[00:20:33] Like imagine um, when I eat a cow, it's one death animal. And one cow maybe has like 300 kilos um, that have like good food, good nourish food that I have for all my family during one year. and I'm not even talking about all the things that the cow provides besides meat, like clothes, there's like 40 industries, more than 40 that they benefit from, from the cow's products.

[00:20:59] Um, but it's one death animal. Okay. But when I eat like half kilo of rice, it's 25 animals died for that half kilo of grains. Could be rice, lentils, beans.

[00:21:14] Why is that? You know, in the mono crops and most of the, Eh, food that goes to vegan supermarkets, you know, like all the labels, it, they they are from mono crops.

[00:21:26] And in, in, in these big machines, it happens that they kill a lots of, you know, raccoon. birds, frogs. There are more bees dying for almond milk than, than honey. There are more birds dying in the olive oil camps because of all the, pesticides. The pesticides kills many things, you know, also fish. There are more fish dying because of the pesticides than fishing.

[00:21:51] So we don't even know what are the impacts of all of these chemicals that they put in the crops to actually grow a bunch of, you know, uh, things. And now that everybody's looking for these kind of superfoods, you know, almonds, cashew nuts, goji berries, and a bunch of stuff like, so the more, um, demand like, uh, the more, um, industries around that they need to provide. Like the olive oil, you know. So yeah, Uh, I believe that vegan diet, it's the most cruel diet. Because if you count all the animals that die in the fields. And even organic, um, come on, like everybody that has organic little farm, they know how the snails behave when they see kale. They want to to eat that kale. So you need to do something in the kale. You need to put some kind of pesticide, even it's organic or not. So somehow you're gonna kill the snail. I'm not even talking about other animals.

[00:22:55] So this is the first thing that nobody told me when I was vegetarian. And it's a fact. You can talk, you know, with the big farmers, um, you, you see that and, and actually these gas that you're talking like, um, there's this myth that the cow's farts are a problem to the earth, but actually, the, the big, biggest emissions of gas it's from industries and transports like airplanes, big, um, cars.

[00:23:27] So, nowadays all the food that you eat is, they are imported from another country, especially these super foods I'm talking about.

[00:23:35] So actually, if you have like a regenerative farm, um, the cows are sequestering the carbon and not, like, it is not, it's it's, the opposite. You are helping the planet, putting more cows that they are doing the holistic management, grazing to help to, you know, make a diverse, um, ambient, yeah, it's more, it's, it's, everybody wins, you know, the cow, you, and the environment.

[00:24:02] Nathan Maingard: Hmm. Yeah, there's actually a guy in Cape Town named Farmer Angus, which is funny 'cause there's like an Angus cow, but his name is farmer Angus and he does regenerative um, style of farming, with cows and also with pigs.

[00:24:15] And he says that he, 'cause he's been measuring ever since he started, in the soil, and like The amount of carbon that they've se sequestered.

[00:24:24] And also the, uh, just the richness of the, the soil has like through the roof. And the guys at the local university, they don't even wanna really hear about it. Like the soil experts, they don't even want to come and talk about it.

[00:24:34] Like he's like, look, I can show you how much better it is. But there's this, this story that is just so limiting, um, which is really sad. So, so yeah, I hear you on that and it's. I mean, I've heard another thing you before, that there were actually more ruminants in North America than, um, before, like, the, the sort of Europeans came, than they are now.

[00:24:54] So, like, the buffalo, there were just so many of, like, just millions and millions and millions of buffalo all over America, and, you know, the environment was fine at that time. Have you heard that before?

[00:25:04] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Yeah, I know. And I know also the story that they kill lots of animals on purpose.

[00:25:09] Nathan Maingard: Yeah. they It's horrible. To destroy the, the food supplies for the native people. Yeah.

[00:25:14] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: So, yeah, there is so much, you know, Nathan. Actually, like, and it's impossible to cultivate in all the planet. There's just little of percentage that you can Like do farming.

[00:25:26] If you do more than that, it's it's not sustainable for the environment, for nobody. So, but actually it's different with the cows and goats. Goats are amazing. They go, they can like go everywhere. So, also there is this myth that, um, the soy that are created, the corn, it's all for, for cows.

[00:25:46] Nathan Maingard: Yes, I heard that.

[00:25:47] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: And it's totally myth. Look, if you go to, it's the website, um, officially website for the cows in Brazil. And Brazil. It's one of the biggest countries that export, um, beef for all over the world. 95% more than 95, it's, uh, raised Uh, grass fed. They're grass-fed. They're, they're, you know, they're literally eating things that we couldn't eat like. Um, and then eight, just 86%, there is this, this number from I, I got it from Diana Rogers, the book Sacred Cow. It's a good recommendation. I I believe all vegans should, should watch this documentary and read the book. So 85, 8 if a cow eats like, not, not, you know, uh, how do you say these? Um, fat, like, uh, grass. Grass, yeah. Yeah. Okay. More than grass. Just 86%. There are things that we couldn't eat, we're not able to eat, you know, like the rest of the fabric of the, of the beer, beer fabric. For instance, you know, the the rest, the rest of the, the.

[00:26:56] Nathan Maingard: Like the, what's left, you mean?

[00:26:58] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: The leftovers from, these big fabrics of grains like beer, whatever. This, they recycle and to give to the to the end life of the cows.

[00:27:10] If, if it's like grain

[00:27:12] Nathan Maingard: grain finished, yeah,

[00:27:13] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: grand finish. It happens that there are cows that they're like, finished with grass. That's even better for our nutrition. But anyway, you know, like, it's, it's okay if you eat like, just a cow with like, the last two weeks of the life, they're eating grains, but that's all.

[00:27:29] Nathan Maingard: Actually, you've reminded me of an a question uh, and one of the things people express as a concern is like, but it's so expensive to eat so much meat. you know, it's so much more. I can't afford to eat that much meat. So I must buy rice, et cetera.

[00:27:41] So what, how, how do you suggest people afford it? Or what do you think about the affordability of eating a primarily animal-based diet?

[00:27:48] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: I advise to eat nose to tail. Nose to tail, it's the most ethical, sustainable, nutrition, nutritional, economical, and diverse, creative way of eating. It means that we are eating the all all parts of animal. Paradoxically, the parts they are more, the cheaper, cheaper, they are, it's the parts that they are more nourish, like the liver, the heart, the lungs, the brain.

[00:28:16] They are so cheap, sometimes even free. You know, the bones can be free in some, um, yeah, some places, some butchers. So this is a good start. If you are in the low budget, you start eating more things like organs.

[00:28:33] Then you go also to other parts like near to the bones. So also these could be really cheap and really nourishing. Like you have lots of glysine, lots of amino acids, um, like vitamins and minerals that you don't have so much in a muscle beefs. Which are expensive. So Yeah, that's, that's a good way of starting. Also chicken could be cheaper, you know, um, birds.

[00:29:00] And and think about like it's an investment for your health, you know, like I prefer to invest in my health today than spending in disease tomorrow. This is one of the the sentence I repeat a lot, like because people really see short term, they don't see the long term. So this is the real pharmacy. This is meat is medicine.

[00:29:20] And also if you eat this way, you don't have to eat so many times a day. and it happened that you eat less and you spend less.

[00:29:29] Nathan Maingard: Mm-Hmm.

[00:29:30] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: So, yeah, and also you can mix with fruits. I'm I'm not eating just uh, carnivore diet. I eat, I I mix, uh, with nice carbs, like potatoes, squash, um, manioc, and also fruits. If organic and seasonal better.

[00:29:46] So actually, you know, Nathan from my clients and all the people that are going to my, my events, retreats, they told me, Sara, I'm spending less money. They make the count and it's, it's the opposite. People think that they are spending more. But if you look to a normal person, they're, they're eating like six times a day because it's crap. It doesn't fulfill you. So you are all the time looking for food, but it's not like real food. And it happened that you spend more in food and in medicine, like pills.

[00:30:18] And, and come on, like, the like we need to go back and remember what is like like the purpose of life.

[00:30:26] It's to live this life fulfilled, you know, in our Fullest potential. So do whatever you need to do, like maybe look, look for a better job that you gain more money, like, you know, make like the goal to work more to get get more money or to have your own cow.

[00:30:45] Like this is also good, good starting point, you know, buy the all the animal buy A a pork, a pig, you know, all the chicken. Is gonna be cheaper. It's gonna be more conscious. You know where this animal coming from. And also you can uh, get the fat out of it, like the tallow and the lard and you make your own fat, which is really important.

[00:31:06] This is one of the Super important topics, like how you cook your meat. So, yeah, there is lots of ways. Like, I love solutions. Like, because people focus a lot on the problems. Like, there are lots of excuses to stay in the same miserable life. But let's, let's make it like, we, you can do it. I believe in you guys.

[00:31:29] Nathan Maingard: Yeah. Thank you. I'd love to hear, now you mentioned, you know, some of your clients and the people who come to your retreats. You've been doing all of that for a while now and, and really helping a lot of people. And what are some of the transformations that you've seen from, if you can share any of the stories of your, your clients and the people, like what are, what are the stories that they share with you?

[00:31:47] And, and especially those who kind of have been really like, no, no, I have to be vegan, I have to be vegetarian. And like, what are their experiences as they make that change?

[00:31:55] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Well, um, I have a lots of ex vegans that come to me because I promote this kind of, uh, lifestyle, uh, all over Instagram, YouTube. um, so, I. Uh, the first thing that they notice is like the improvement of, um, energy, you know, clarity of mind, brain fog goes away, more memory, more creativity and more happiness in general.

[00:32:21] So this is like the ultimate, ultimate thing that you want in your life, right? Like, living full potential. And then, um, some disease like autoimmune disease. Like spondylitis, arthritis, sclerosis as well, diabetes, a lot, and also obesity.

[00:32:38] People, they lose weight in the the nice way and gain muscle. So it's not about losing weight, it's about gaining health.

[00:32:46] So also it's important like to consider a movement and the other kind. Uh, important things to do in your life, not only, the diet, but anyway, also depression, insomnia. People struggling with mental health. As I told you, pretty much what I, I've told all the symptoms I told.

[00:33:03] Yeah, I've got, I've got clients that have like, and it's uh, curious, Nathan, like these people tried many things before. It's not like they didn't try anything. Like I have people that they've been in many kind of doctors bad, uh, like. And they, they ended up taking pills. Also, help I help them to take down the pills and be clear, you know, free of addictions. We are already free when we are, are not addicted with anything. No food, no cigarettes, no alcohol. So it's really nice also to quit addictions.

[00:33:36] Um, and also talking about like spending money. I have this client that she's really, she counts everything like, you know, all the expenses that she has. And she's, she literally told me like in three months she's already saving money because her sons doesn't stay sick anymore so they can go to school and they're not like stopping school so she can work and get more money because before all the family was sick like every three months with virus, you know, fevers. And the kids can couldn't go to school. She needed to Stay at home.

[00:34:11] So

[00:34:12] Nathan Maingard: That's amazing.

[00:34:13] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: It's like something you don't even realize what's the impact in your life, you know, like. And their productivity when you change just the way, like when you change your diet.

[00:34:25] Nathan Maingard: Hmm. So, so let's move into, so we've covered a few, I know there's many more myths we could cover here, but I want to kind of bring people to some more of the solutions. So you've already spoken to, on the financial side, people can start with maybe organ meats or, or things like that.

[00:34:38] Are there any other ways that you would say, someone's listening now and they're going, okay, shit, I need to, I need to either get more information or I need to start to make some changes. Like obviously they can come to you and I would share, I will share your links and things in the show notes, but are there any ways that you recommend for those people who are right at the beginning of this journey, who just starting to maybe change their mind or, or wanting to explore more, what would you recommend they do?

[00:35:00] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: the first rule. It's don't fear the meat. Stop like thinking the meat it's a blame, because nowadays the meat is a space goat.

[00:35:11] Nathan Maingard: the scapegoat, Yeah. Scapegoat. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:14] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Like, uh, you know, the environment, Oh, the meat is... like the cow, it's the, yeah, Let, let, let's blame the cow for everything. No, it's really the opposite. So start for that, like, you know, for making this awareness and consciousness. Like, okay, from being being something really bad to something really cool.

[00:35:33] Listen, there is no meta-analysis, randomized control trial saying that meat is bad for you. Actually, there are studies saying that you can heal even cancer, you know, chronic disease. Uh, really, really bad disease with, with a meat-based diet. So this is the first step.

[00:35:51] And then experiment, you know, like you like more goat or lamb? yeah, go for it. You don't have to be eat eating beef all the time. That, that, that gets really expensive, when you eat just like eat, like proper, you know, beef chunk, chunks of meat. Like you just explore, um, and like try different kind of meal. Also pork is really cheap. And if you get a really nice source of pork, pig, it's amazing. Actually, you have a lot of vitamin B one, really good for the brain and for the gut, stomach.

[00:36:22] So, and then mix with them nice carbs like potatoes, baked potatoes. Squash, pumpkin, and you can have fruit as a dessert. Also having raw cheese, raw milk, um, and raw yogurt, kefir. Yeah, try to search for raw, uh, sources and nice sources. And also honey, honey is really cool. Not a lot, but you know, a little bit on your yogurt, or even in your meat. Try, try it, also fish, of course, nice fish. And eggs, eggs are amazing. I eat like four, five eggs a day easily.

[00:36:58] And, and make sure that your meat is cooked in lard, tallow, or butter. That's the the tricky part. Sometimes when we eat in the restaurant, it happens that meat was cooked in seed oil and seed oil are the real virus in our kitchens. So why? easily. They're really unstable, unstable, so they oxidize easily. And they have also more omega six and we, we need like more omega three.

[00:37:27] Nowadays, people are eating too much omega six and little omega three. So we need to rise up. So where is omega three? Not only fish. Okay, yeah, also in fish, but good butter, good lard, and tallow. So that's the tip number one, like watch out how you're cooking your meat. And it happens in restaurants. And also other kinds of things, you know, all the vegetables that you maybe Eating they're, they're full on on seed oils. That's where starts the problem.

[00:37:55] Nathan Maingard: Well, that's, that's actually a really important one to mention. I know it's, we don't say think it's not directly related to meat, but the whole seed oils thing is really massive right now. Like the, the stuff that I'm learning about it. And, um, Yeah, I mean, you've spoken to it already. Would you suggest that someone completely cuts seed oils out of life?

[00:38:11] And if so, you know why? Like what's the, in just as a kind of summary, but like what's the problem with seed oils?

[00:38:17] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Okay. Okay. Seed oils really damage your mitochondria, which is like the power energy cell of your body. You need really, really need to make sure that your mitochondria is really like working good. It would create energy. Like, so sometimes we think, ah, the sugar, sugar is the, the bad guy. Yeah, also, but seed oil. The problem with seed oil is, like, you don't recognize it's flavor.

[00:38:40] You you can, you can see if it's a cake. It's cooked with sugar or not. You can see that, but you cannot like recognize if it's with butter or margarine. why? Because margarine doesn't have a taste. They they take out. It's, it's, it smells and tastes so bad. At the end of that all big process and complex stuff, it's really like they use lots of machines and it's really bad for the environment. And in the end, it tastes so bad that they need to make another process. Like it's called deodorization, like taking out the flavor. Otherwise, nobody could eat that. You will vomit. So, yeah, and margarine, it's everywhere. Like, you go to any kind of bakery, pastry, that cake will be cooked with margarine. You know, everything.

[00:39:22] Like, that's, that's the real ghost in our lives. So, that's the main topic, because it really makes you inflammated, like, oxidized. It creates, like, oxidative stress, and damage your cells. So we you age really quickly when, like, you You know, the skin, notice also when people burn in the, in the sun. So sunburns are not because of the sun. Come on, we've been, uh, under the sun for ages, like two millions of years of sun. And now we are, you have now, it's the thing about like, what's inside our, our, our fat, our body. So the sun is the match and the box to to set the match is a seed oil. So if people are burned it's because they are still intoxicated with seed oil.

[00:40:10] So do for like one month detox, easily one month.

[00:40:14] of course it's nice to eat it at your home because in restaurants, at least you you ask for something like grilled. I make sure, like, say that you're allergic to seed oil. I can have like a really serious like reaction if I... okay, so they take you seriously because nobody, almost nobody knows about this little so what is seed oil, corn, oil, sunflower, cotton Pretty much like all the, imagine like they're making oil out of a corn. A corn is not even fat thing, like they're making oil out of soy. So it's a carb. So how so?

[00:40:50] Nathan Maingard: So are there any good oils then that are recommended? 'cause you mentioned Olive oil earlier.

[00:40:55] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Olive oil is, is not seed oil, it's a fruit. So if it's good quality. Listen, guys, like 80% of olive oil are adulterated.

[00:41:07] Nathan Maingard: they've other things into it.

[00:41:08] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Yeah, because again, because everybody's asking that. The Mediterranean diet, it got really popular, but not all the globe is Mediterranean . We need to eat like seasonally and locally. Like we are, um, omnivores, opportunistic we eat from what we have of our land of 30 kilometers more or less.

[00:41:29] So, olive oil, if you buy it, make sure that it's in a really dark bottle and with a glass. Otherwise, it's already oxidated. You bought it already like full of toxins and you're paying for nothing. So it's really bad. Actually, actually invest in butter. I love the taste of the butter.

[00:41:45] Nathan Maingard: Oh, man, I love butter.

[00:41:46] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: you can cook, you all kind of butter, of course, like make sure like it's a good butter.

[00:41:51] But any butter will be better than no butter.

[00:41:54] Nathan Maingard: Right. Right. Fair enough. Yeah, I've, I mean, so this is one of the things that I struggle, have struggled with in the past and still sometimes do a bit like where if I just go to a, my local supermarket and I buy meat, you know, my concern is that the meat is coming from agro, from the kind of mono, mono, culture where there's like cows that have been pushed through a horrible industrial slaughterhouse and they've had a lot of stress and pain in their lives.

[00:42:19] Um, but like, so I guess for myself, I also then realized but that's similar to what's happening with the vegetables as well They've been grown in empty soil. Everything else has been killed and poisoned like i've seen monocrop blueberries, like people often think, oh, I, I buy nice blueberries my local Woolworths. I have actually seen blueberry mono crops. It's horrific. They literally poison everything on, they kill the entire earth and they put these little pots on top of it with blueberry bushes inside and they cover the whole thing with nets. And any other animal that tries to come in there gets absolutely slaughtered.

[00:42:49] So, so for, in some ways it's, I guess I'm answering the question myself, but in some ways it's like, if the choice is. Health. like If I can be healthy and then get enough health to, to be more abundant in my life, make more money, and then afford better quality meat, that's the best way, but I, I would love to hear your thoughts on that.

[00:43:05] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Look, I, I repeat this, this, uh, sentence. Like: better done then perfect.

[00:43:10] Nathan Maingard: Better done than perfect.

[00:43:12] Yeah,

[00:43:12] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: You know, guys, uh, don't wait to be for perfect. Oh, I'm not doing it because I cannot buy a grass fed. So at the end of of the day, we need to eat something. If we're not eating like some kind of meat, whatever is it, we are gonna eat like rice, or vegetables that that all process of created of produc, production, many animals died. And it is really poor in nutrients. Like we, we, at the end of the day, we need to think what are the most density food on earth. Like where you get more nutrients by centimeter, you know, by centimeter. It's meat, it's red meat, not even white, it's red meat.

[00:43:53] So love, make sure that you treat the most important person in your world, the world, it's you. If you're not cool, you, you cannot be like, you cannot be cool for others. First it's us, then it's the family, which is like the same because you're eating together, and then it's your work, not not the reverse. first all family, and work.

[00:44:17] So, yeah, that's it. We, we are, we, we've been brainwashing like the meat, actually all the meat. It's like with these crazy, um, slaughter houses, but it's not, it's not the case, you know, it's it's a minority. Look, look, this example I I gave, uh, uh, Brazil, it's one of the biggest countries that export meat and 95% it's grass fed.

[00:44:39] Like per I'm sure here South Africa

[00:44:41] Nathan Maingard: Oh, it's the same. It's almost all, uh, free range, like most of it.

[00:44:45] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: And then it's really expensive for the producer to do it, grain fed. The, the cow, The cows don't like it. The producer, the farmer, also not, because it's very expensive. Because, come on, you have grass in field, so just put the uh, cow, you know, raising. So that that's the the belief, you know, like just do it, you know, okay, you don't have money to buy grass fed.

[00:45:08] Okay, do kind of conventional meat. Make sure, like, just remember, like, for happening life, should happening death. You know, it's the cycle of life. So if there, if you don't have like dead animals in your dish, your plate, maybe they are dead in other place. so it is not because you don't see them, they're they're not death. You know, like, that's the thing about what I believe, you know, because otherwise we struggle so much we wanna make it perfect. And then, And then what? Like, life is happening already. So make sure that do it, you, what you can.

[00:45:45] Nathan Maingard: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And is there anything else that you feel it's really important for someone to know who's listening to this and, kind of going, oh shit. Okay. Like veganism, maybe not the best. Vegetarianism, like having their mind kind of sh uh, shifted here. Is there anything else you think it's really important that we haven't covered?

[00:46:02] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Yeah, I I just want to cover these, uh, important uh, question that many people said, Oh, but I feel so good after quitting meat. I really feel good. My body says that. like, but there is this bias, like healthy bias that when people quit something like meat, they also quit another stuff like sugar, possibly seed oils, they start doing yoga, meditation, they quit coffee or tobacco, whatever, like, you know, addictions.

[00:46:27] So, um, it's normally like connected. Okay. And every time you see someone like thriving on meat, is they're not eating, we are not eating like the standard, like American standard diet. Sad, sad diet. We are eating meat, consciously, with nice carbs, with nice fats. And that's, that's the big difference. Okay? Because a normal, typical meat eater is eating everything. Like is eating meat with beer, with ketchup, mayonnaise, uh, white bread, is sitting on the couch every day.

[00:47:04] So that's the missing point people are not thinking. So, so there is no study, I repeat, no control study, randomized, like, which are the proper studies saying that meat is bad. Because all of these studies is obs observational and they, they collect people eat meat, but with whatever, people are not eating meat, but you know, with a good lifestyle.

[00:47:26] So I think this is the main point, don't compare yourself and do, do your, your experiment. By the end of the day, it's your body, it's your, it's your mind. Just give a try, uh, for one week, two weeks, I'll say three weeks at least, 21 days to, ch to see some changes. And, and, and make your research, not only listen to us, like make uh, your research, I already talk about this documentary, Sacred Cow from Diana Rogers, I really recommend. Also Fat Fiction, Magic Pill, are free in YouTube, that's a good start. And yeah, just, and, um, allow yourself to feel free.

[00:48:10] Nathan Maingard: Yeah, I mean there's something you mentioned there around, you know, studies and all, and I don't want to go too deeply into it, but I know it's one that came up for me as well when I was starting to make these shifts.

[00:48:17] Like what about, we definitely don't have try and debunk them all, but just like giving people some information around that is things like the China study. Yeah. Things like, um, the Blue Zones and I Know, and The Game Changer documentary on Netflix. All these things where they're like, look, it proves that veganism is the way forward, or at least, very least vegetarian.

[00:48:35] So, just a just a quick piece about that for, for anyone who is kind of thinking about that.

[00:48:40] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Yeah, first of all, we need to see who is funding, funding this study.

[00:48:44] Nathan Maingard: Like fund who's paying for it, where's the money?

[00:48:47] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Doing a study it's not cheap at all. You need to collect a lots of money. So there are a lots of interested interests Uh, behind that. It's how all of this story actually started in the 78, seventies. Why like there was this demon monetization of cholesterol and saturated fats and glorification of grains, um, and beans.

[00:49:09] So yeah, China studying, uh, now, now there was one like with twins that one twin is vegan. Another one, no, but, and actually the study says that the vegan like actually was, it was getting the worst markers of health, like inflammatory, but they make it sound... they They literally lie.

[00:49:30] Nathan Maingard: Wow. But so, so who's funding that one, for example?

[00:49:33] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: So this one is funding by, by, by. beyond Meat.

[00:49:36] Nathan Maingard: Beyond meat, right.

[00:49:38] So the,

[00:49:38] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: the the owner of Beyond meat is funding this, uh, really recent recent document, now is a documentary in Netflix, another uh, propaganda. So yeah, guys, it's, it's really, uh, there, there is agenda behind all of this. Okay. This is the truth. And it, it is political.

[00:49:55] Nobody cares about your health in the end of the day, everybody cares about their pockets and how to be like, how can you, they get richer? Because the sicker you are, um, the more pills you need to get and more supplements.

[00:50:08] It's really important also that you know that 20 nutrients are missing in the vegan diet. 20. It's not only B12 or protein. It is like creat, creatine, tine B three B one, and the excessive amount of antinutrients which block the entrance and absor absorption of nutrients. So it's like why we need to take 20 nutrients in pills if we can get it like from the best source. And delicious? Like come on, like, think about a really good steak, or bacon and eggs fried like it's instinctive like our body are thriving on that.

[00:50:43] So this is like the the main topic I want to tell like and this is like really, it's a fact. Okay, you are missing 20 nutrients. It's a lot.

[00:50:52] Nathan Maingard: That's like, it's a huge amount. I know. I remember when I first got into all. It's like, oh no, it's just like B12, but, but people who eat meat are also, they don't have B12. And anyway, all those bloody stories. So, um, I wanted to ask you something now, and I've kind of forgotten what it was. What was it about?

[00:51:08] I guess, like, one of the things, so your page is currently mainly in Portuguese, which is great for any Portuguese people who are listening to this. But, um, what are, and I will, again, I'll share the links to you, but what are some of the other people you would recommend, I, I've had, uh, Brian from Food Lies on already, and I definitely recommend people following him, he's amazing, but, uh, and he's got a documentary that's gonna be coming out, but it's really hard for him to get it out because he can't get funding for it.

[00:51:31] That's what's crazy is because the, the big money doesn't wanna fund it. So, who would you recommend people, I know said Diana Rogers already, a sacred cow. Is there, anything else out there that's really worth checking out?

[00:51:41] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Paul saladino?

[00:51:42] Nathan Maingard: Yeah.

[00:51:42] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: uh, Carnivore MD is one of the greatest. Also he talks on other things, other the things that's really important like clothes, movement. Yeah, but a lots of, uh, about meat. Um, who else? Well, let's see, Uh, Mike, metabolic

[00:51:57] Nathan Maingard: Yes. metabolic mike, he's great

[00:51:59] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Yeah, in English, right?

[00:52:00] Uh, well. Sean Baker,

[00:52:03] Nathan Maingard: he's, he's funny

[00:52:04] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: He's fun and he is also keeping up this, this work about like letting the, the the truth coming up. Also no reason to be vegan. It's a really nice page in Instagram, in Inspire me a lot. They show a lot of difference, all the studies about why veganism is a scam. Also carnivore is vegan is another page in Instagram.

[00:52:24] Carnivore is vegan. Uh, they also have a blog, Carnivore Aelius. Um,

[00:52:30] yeah,

[00:52:30] Nathan Maingard: Cool.

[00:52:31] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: I, I, yeah, for sure there are more, but no, it's, it's, that's a good, uh,

[00:52:35] Nathan Maingard: good start. Yeah, for sure. Okay. And so the question I ask every guest, and you've spoken to it a few times already in, in our conversation, but when you hear the words, we are already free, what does that bring up for you?

[00:52:48] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Ah, That's a good question. It's like just going back to basics. You know, going back to nature. I feel really free. I feel that sentence really when I'm here, you know, in nature. That is a place that I don't feel judged or something.

[00:53:07] Or also hacking my body, my biology with proper nutrition. Yeah, this is, food, movement. Uh, when I run, when I swim, when I do like nice movements with my body, I feel my body free. So every time I, I'm doing like the proper habits and actions that I, we should do it as a human beings. And we are kind of forget it about that. Um, this comes to my mind, you know, all the pillars.

[00:53:37] Also community getting involved with people are like-minded and you can have a nice chat, conversation. Yeah, pretty much like everything that's, that makes you growth and be free.

[00:53:49] Nathan Maingard: Beautiful. Well, thank you so much, Sara. It's So much fun to be meeting you and, and getting to know you, and I'm sure we're gonna be creating some beautiful things together. Um, the final thing is just around where people can find you. Uh, what's the best places for them to go to?

[00:54:02] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: So, Dr. The Tora, it's in portuguese, the to Sara Mari, Uh, D-R-D-R-A-S-A-R-A-M-A-R-E. Ipson n sorry, Marlene. That's, uh, in Instagram, Facebook, YouTube.

[00:54:21] Um, I'm, I'm living in Angola, which is a beautiful country in, in Africa. Um, but I'm Portuguese. Yes, I create, uh, content in Portuguese. But anyway, you can translate. If you are, you know, any doubt that you have about this conversation, like please contact me.

[00:54:36] I'm really happy to help, um, you know, to respond to your questions and doubts. I know maybe, should be a lot or not. Yeah

[00:54:46] Nathan Maingard: Beautiful. Well, thank you so much. I mean, I'm just laughing now because we, I, I won't say the name of the festival, but we were just at a festival together and there were, I think there's maybe four vegetarians and vegans, or people who were maybe just eating a little bit of meat, who, after talking to you, are now eating like a lot more meat after a conversation with you.

[00:55:03] So like she says, if you're having doubts and you're not sure and you have questions, you're like, but what about this? Just send her a message. The link will be in the show notes and you can, you know, she's super knowledgeable as you've heard.

[00:55:13] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Thank you. Thank you, Nathan, to having, for having me here.

[00:55:16] Nathan Maingard: Such a pleasure. Sara, thank you so much for your work and I, I hope to see you again soon.

[00:55:20] Dr Dara Marilyn Jesus: Yeah.

[00:55:21] Yihhuuuu.

[00:55:21] Nathan Maingard: Yihuuu

[00:55:23] I hope you, dear listener, have enjoyed this as much as I did, and have received all the value that you needed. And I'm very curious to hear what your thoughts are on all of it.

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[00:56:38] For example, one of the past attendees for this challenge is Adrian, and he joined the challenge, feeling lost, feeling frustrated, struggling with self judgment. But through the simple tailored practices, Adrian found a way to switch to a mindset of self love and acceptance. As he says, this challenge helped me to love myself. I am more motivated and enjoy witnessing every day. Imagine starting each day with that kind of transformation.

[00:57:03] If you're ready to take that step to embrace a morning routine that aligns with your authentic self, then, please join us at Or just check the link in the show notes.

[00:57:13] If this episode has resonated with you, I would really love to hear your thoughts. Please take a moment to leave a review or share your takeaways with me on social media, linked in the show notes. Your feedback is not only appreciated, it is a vital part of our shared journey to understanding.

[00:57:28] Until next time, thank you for tuning in and I can't wait to share more inspiring stories and insights with you in the next episode. And as always, if you don't already, please remember that we are already free.

Nathan Maingard

Nathan Maingard

Nathan Maingard is a wordsmith giving voice to those who feel isolated and lost in these times of mass delusion and dis-ease. A breathwork instructor, modern troubadour (empowering songs, poems & stories) and ILS pro coach, Nathan empowers down-to-earth seekers to be their authentic selves. In this way we can feel, heal, and grow a beautiful world together.


  1. Everett Morris

    I spent the last year as a vegetarian as an experiment to see if it improved my health or promoted weight loss. I lost a little but in the end, it completely stalled. Mentally, it felt fine. Physically, no issues. I had a great time coming up with new recipes. What has me curious still is if there’s a diet that helps with arthritis. Two months ago, I went back to incorporating meat in my dies. Gained back 20 pounds. My metabolism is all kinds of broken. Still learning. Still on a journey. Loved this episode.

    • Nathan Maingard

      That’s so interesting, thank you for sharing, Everett! Glad you enjoyed the episode, and curious to hear how your journey goes from here


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